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09-29-2023, 12:33 PM
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Just another Facist
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$20 an hour flipping Burgers
California Gov signs bill to pay “fast food” workers $20 an hour or 40k+ a year.
Starts April 1st 2024
Predictions
1. $15 dollar Big Mac’s
2. By April 1st 2025 fast food places start closing quickly
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09-29-2023, 12:37 PM
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C'est Tout
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This is what I ask people who say restaurants with table service should pay their servers a living wage....do you want to pay $45 for your Chick Parm instead of the current $22 ??
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09-29-2023, 12:57 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JustRalph
...Starts April 1st 2024
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Sadly, it's a real bill (not an April Fools Day joke.)
My prediction is automation... 2 or 3 employees per shift instead of 8.
A machine where burger patties go in at one end and come out as fully assembled and packaged Big Macs, etc. at the other.
Of course it'll be somebody's job to make sure the "bun magazine" is always loaded.
Sure as shit every once in a while one of those $20/hr employees is going to drop the ball.
And some poor customer who was handed his food at the drive through window is going to be 40 miles down the highway before opening the paper wrappers of one Big Mac after another only to discover the effing buns are missing.
-jp
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09-29-2023, 01:12 PM
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I'm in favor of automation. At least I'll have half a chance at getting that sandwich assembled without some of the contents half out of the bun. The french fry operation should be fully automated. Not sure about beverages after seeing coffee machines screw up an order.
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09-29-2023, 01:15 PM
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The Voice of Reason!
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You want fries wit dat?
$8.00!
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09-29-2023, 04:50 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JustRalph
California Gov signs bill to pay “fast food” workers $20 an hour or 40k+ a year.
Starts April 1st 2024
Predictions
1. $15 dollar Big Mac’s
2. By April 1st 2025 fast food places start closing quickly
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A blessing in disguise, IMO. Fast food should be avoided at all costs.
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09-29-2023, 06:53 PM
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Just another Facist
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Elon Musk is going to solve this problem eventually, but still some years away.
If you haven’t seen his humanoid robot, it’s very interesting.
https://www.teslaoracle.com/2023/09/...ff-mechanisms/
“In less than a year, the Optimus engineering team at Tesla enabled it to perform complex hand and body gestures. This is the result of the advancement Tesla has achieved in both the hardware and software side of Optimus.
Interestingly, Tesla Optimus identifies even its own body using the Tesla Vision neural net. “Using only vision and joint position encoders, it can precisely locate its limbs in space,” Tesla states as Optimus attempts to identify its arms and hands through its vision.“
https://youtu.be/0SGPdqTg-g4?si=3SaSwojJ-knvzhcV
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09-29-2023, 06:55 PM
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They don't want people to have jobs.
They want them to rely on the gov't guaranteed income
The gov't will be able to tax the shit out of corporations who will have much lower personnel expenses due to AI and robots and thus be able to afford sky-high tax rates.
Working as intended.
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09-29-2023, 08:20 PM
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Your government wants you to perform competitive work. When you price yourself out of the market, either by edict or union agreements, there's opportunity to replace by handing your work offshore or to mechanization. The moral is to not price oneself out of the market.
There are services, such as mail delivery or teaching where that work cannot be farmed offshore. I would hope members of those unions don't believe they are qualified to advise manufacturing workers on how to negotiate. Automotive assemblers face very different challenges than folks who don't need to worry about their work being sent offshore.
AOC, as trained educator, has not had to expose herself to that pressure. And there's those who haven't been part of a union. That had to perform on a mutually agreed term of satisfaction or be sent packing. And that's also a pressure that neither union postal workers or teachers face. So, the least qualified people to advise others on how to negotiate with an employer should step back.
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09-29-2023, 09:02 PM
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This will just drive more automation where humans will be replaced. The tipping point is always labor cost. If it looks like there is a chance using robotics will be more cost efficient, engineering companies will get on a solution.
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09-29-2023, 10:17 PM
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And when robots are equipped with AI powerful enough that they become self aware?
What then?
-jp
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09-29-2023, 11:41 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff P
And when robots are equipped with AI powerful enough that they become self aware?
What then?
-jp
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Who will cross an AI picket line?
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09-30-2023, 03:20 PM
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I am equally amazed at what is automated these days and what isn't.
How it's Made, is a cool show, since I haven't had anything more than broadcast TV I have not watched it in a dozen years. There are some technical mistakes, but it is mostly accurate. The mistakes are mainly using improper terminology for tools and processes. I am hoping the narrator
learned the difference from a drill and an end mill.
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09-30-2023, 10:21 PM
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orders being taken by people in India over skype
card only purchases / no cash
machines making most items
no more restrooms and indoor dining
entire fast food joint manned by 2 people
CALIFORNIA is trend setting ....
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09-30-2023, 10:47 PM
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I remember a few years ago Wal-Mart held a self-serving PR press conference to announce that it was implementing a $15 minimum wage for its employees.
A few months later -- with no press conference that I know of -- Wal-Mart quietly began replacing its cashiers with self-service checkouts.
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