North Dakota pipeline protest

[chrisl]

So the protesters use oil, to get where they need to go, to protest the use of oil. They should ride bikes, walk, take a bus. There you go! If they would like to make a dent. They should not use any oil products. Then the demand would go down, and they will not need pipelines. According to the poll's, most of America is against oil. Then they all band together and shut this puppy down. So easy.

[davew]

trucks hauling petroleum crash and leak all the time as well

trains hauling petroleum cars crash and burn all the time as well

tankers crash and leak all the time as well



are you one of the non-hypocrite libs who does not use petroleum?

I am thinking of starting a company selling carbon dioxide retention systems for libs, so they do not contribute to global warming/climate disruption. It will consist of a plastic bag and duct tape for libs to put over their head and tape around their neck.

[rastajenk]

Where I live, we have a dozen or more pipelines of various carbon-based products criss-crossing the county, which is bisected by a National Scenic River-designee. The operators pay for that, and the county is enriched by it. It is also home to some significant archaeological sites, mere miles from the pipelines. They can co-exist.

The natives should take the money and tell the Occupiers to get the hell out. The cause may sound noble, but the end result is a net loss.

[woodtoo]

Vacated "environmentalists" leave 50 tons of toxic waste and garbage
threatening the very environment they are protesting to protect.
@resistwemuch

[chadk66]

Originally Posted by Racetrack Playa

2016
On September 10, a Sunoco pipeline ruptured near Sweetwater, Texas. About 33,000 gallons of crude oil were spilled. The pipeline was just over a year old

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...t_century#2017

On October 21, an 8-inch Sunoco pipeline ruptured in Lycoming County, Pennsylvania, spilling about 55,000 gallons of gasoline into the Susquehanna River

from dec 2nd


On December 2, equipment failure in a Denbury Resources source water pipeline led to a leak of approximately 84,000 gallons of source water into Skull Creek, in Bowman County, North Dakota



On December 5, a 6-inch Belle Fourche pipeline spilled 176,000 gallons of crude oil into Ash Coulee Creek in Billings County, North Dakota


It Happens all the time,

2017
On January 14, the Ozark Pipeline, an Enbridge division, spilled about 15,330 gallons of light oil at the Lawrence Pump Station, near Halltown, Missouri

On January 20 , 200,000-litre spill on Ocean Man First Nation territory Saskatchewan


On January 25, the Magellan pipeline leaked 138,600 gallons (3,300 barrels) of diesel fuel onto private agricultural land in Worth County, Iowa, near Hanlontown

If you add up all the gallons you just posted they don't come to the amount that the train derailment in Quebec amounted to. And they experienced loss of life and tremendous fire. do you have any idea the thousands of miles of pipeline in this country? And do you have any idea statistically how much safer per barrel it is to ship via pipe than over land?

[davew]

bore site

[Racetrack Playa]

http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Kin...673/story.html

“Pipeline spills can have both positive and negative effects on local and regional economies, both in the short- and long-term,” the company(Kinder Morgan) states in its submission to the National Energy Board, the federal government’s Calgary-based regulatory agency. “Spill response and cleanup creates business and employment opportunities for affected communities, regions, and cleanup service providers.”------THATS SOMTHING


same Company Kinder Morgan
http://savannahnow.com/news/2017-01-...wo-years-later


GoodLuck #confused

[Racetrack Playa]

Originally Posted by chadk66

If you add up all the gallons you just posted they don't come to the amount that the train derailment in Quebec amounted to. And they experienced loss of life and tremendous fire. do you have any idea the thousands of miles of pipeline in this country? And do you have any idea statistically how much safer per barrel it is to ship via pipe than over land?

I have no idea, but safety should be a priority ,and it isn't obviously.


On Jan. 30, an estimated 600,000 gallons, or 14,285 barrels' worth, of oil spewed out of Enbridge’s Seaway Pipeline in Blue Ridge, Texas.

The rupture is the second spill since the pipeline opened for business less than 1 year ago.

[Tom]

Looking at Dave's map, we should be seeing spill daily.
We are not.

[chadk66]

Originally Posted by Tom

Looking at Dave's map, we should be seeing spill daily.
We are not.

exactly. when you figure the amount of oil piped daily vs the amount spilled it's trivial when compared to the amount trucked vs the amount spilled and the death and destruction from exploding rail cars. Apparently the left thinks deaths are better than oil on the ground.

[davew]

Originally Posted by Tom

Looking at Dave's map, we should be seeing spill daily.
We are not.

those are Chad's pics from his photobucket

I do not know what transport method is safest, but maybe if there was information like

gallon miles transported / gallon spilled


similar to travel deaths showing airplanes are safer than cars..

[davew]

It looks like the warm weather is starting to melt the snow

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...=.8d8b11eb4fa0

[chadk66]

they are hauling garbage out of the one camp that was on ACOE land. the state claims it is going to take 250 semi trailer (side dump) loads to haul it all out. It is basically an environmental disaster. Which is rather ironic. Law enforcement is sifting through the trash both at the camp and when it is dumped at the landfill. Looking for any illegal items, substances, etc. And looking for bodies. This whole thing just boggles my mind. They are screaming for an EIS. Well hell, there should have been an EIS done before they allowed this camp to be formed.

[GameTheory]

Originally Posted by Tom

Looking at Dave's map, we should be seeing spill daily.
We are not.

To be fair, they do have leaks all the time. Not daily, but weekly is about right. A spill with 10s of thousands of gallons happens about every month in the U.S., very often into a river. At least 2 already this year, and there were at least 2 in December. The pipelines simply are not well-maintained (they wait until they break, it seems), and so it is getting worse as they age.

[chadk66]

Originally Posted by GameTheory

To be fair, they do have leaks all the time. Not daily, but weekly is about right. A spill with 10s of thousands of gallons happens about every month in the U.S., very often into a river. At least 2 already this year, and there were at least 2 in December. The pipelines simply are not well-maintained (they wait until they break, it seems), and so it is getting worse as they age.

most are very old and should be replaced. and they don't have leak detection. new pipelines are vastly superior in materials and leak detection. There was a leak of significance in Billings MT a few years ago. It leaked into the yellowstone river. This is where our drinking water comes from. Billings is about 250 miles away. Even in a river system it didn't make it 150 miles as far as being able to detect it. And it was under the ice. Within a month there was no trace that it ever happened. spills into water appear to be the best place for it. easier to clean up and it is cleansed much faster. The gulf is a classic example. I don't know if you could find any indication right now that the spill occurred down there.