Is Blind Luck better than Zenyatta?

[Hardcore]

Yes she is and I will say why. BL has always ran to the sound of the guns. Zenyatta may as well have been in the Witness Protection Program the way she was sheltered and protected. Blind Luck should have been in last years Classic. Had she been there instead of a race that fell apart, (the Life At Ten incident) She would have moved right after Lookin at Lucky and right before Zenyatta. IMO she wins that race yet her connections believed the Zenyatta hype and passed....
This year now they started her slowly and she is indeed in fine fettle now. The longer the better for this one too. She may be the best horse in the country as we speak. Zenyatta was a good one but only on Flubber tracks where she was undefeated. Zenyatta ran in only 3 races her entire career that were worthy of mention. BL has done so much more for her age than Z did up to this point. This is not a flame thread by any means although I'm sure i'll catch some heat from the Z Heads.
Z was hype to the max. Comparing her to Secretariat or even the legendary Rachel Alexandra was a joke. She was great for racing as we need the exposure. Oprah and the bobbleheads and the endless retirement parades brought many to the game. I'll give her that but for my money BL is better. A blue collar lunch pail horse who just goes about her business. She is very underated as the odds board showed yesterday. I made a killing on a stone cold trifecta which I had many many times. I can't wait for this fillys next race.

[Tom]

So Z is inferior because of her people's actions.
Interesting thought process.

What about Blind Lucks people - who chose NOT to be in the being one last year? Doesn't that, by your own criteria, make her inferior to Z? I mena, she ducked Z that day, right?

[MadWorld]

Originally Posted by Hardcore

Yes she is and I will say why. BL has always ran to the sound of the guns.

Except when she shipped across country to run at Philly Park instead of against Zenyatta in the Lady's Secret. Your whole argument falls apart after that.

[ArlJim78]

that's a long way to go just to redboard a $5 trifecta.

[toussaud]

[Robert Goren]

When she win the classic and come a bit short in another, We can talk.

[PhantomOnTour]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

that's a long way to go just to redboard a $5 trifecta.

I heard that...even if he punched a $100 tri he's only getting $530.
I don't bet these races; there was no possible upsetter for the top 2 and it was just a nice race to watch.

[toussaud]

Originally Posted by Robert Goren

When she win the classic and come a bit short in another, We can talk.

i will say this

if BL happens to win a classic.. you could make a damn good case for her being better than Z. the schedule that BL runs on a year without taking a break is damn near unheard of today in racing.

[classhandicapper]

IMO the short answer is DEFINITELY NO (not really that close).

IMO one of the things (of many) that made Zenyatta so special was that she had an incredible first move on the turn that would leave other high level horses in the dust even though she was widest. That move would get her into contention at the top of the stretch no matter how slow the pace was up front initially. Then she would still come home in very fast time and go out like there was ton left in the tank even after making those moves.

Blind Luck has sometimes made a great move on the turn but couldn't quite follow it up coming home or left herself too much to do at the end of the turn and came home really fast only to fall short. She doesn't have TWO great moves because she doesn't have nearly as much in the tank. That's why she sometimes gets beat by her disadvantageous style.

But I should be clear. IMO Blind Luck and Harve d Grace are great race mares that could still be improving. I was wildly impressed with both of them yesterday. For two great race mares to finish like that at the end of 10F was really a throwback to the excitement of years ago. Owners, trainers and horses all deserve congratulations on going so well so long and their willingness to do battle coast to coast. I just hope the lemon isn't squeezed by BC time. I also wonder whether either will step up and take on the boys. I suspect not.

[thaskalos]

Originally Posted by Hardcore

Yes she is and I will say why. BL has always ran to the sound of the guns. Zenyatta may as well have been in the Witness Protection Program the way she was sheltered and protected. Blind Luck should have been in last years Classic. Had she been there instead of a race that fell apart, (the Life At Ten incident) She would have moved right after Lookin at Lucky and right before Zenyatta. IMO she wins that race yet her connections believed the Zenyatta hype and passed....
This year now they started her slowly and she is indeed in fine fettle now. The longer the better for this one too. She may be the best horse in the country as we speak. Zenyatta was a good one but only on Flubber tracks where she was undefeated. Zenyatta ran in only 3 races her entire career that were worthy of mention. BL has done so much more for her age than Z did up to this point. This is not a flame thread by any means although I'm sure i'll catch some heat from the Z Heads.
Z was hype to the max. Comparing her to Secretariat or even the legendary Rachel Alexandra was a joke. She was great for racing as we need the exposure. Oprah and the bobbleheads and the endless retirement parades brought many to the game. I'll give her that but for my money BL is better. A blue collar lunch pail horse who just goes about her business. She is very underated as the odds board showed yesterday. I made a killing on a stone cold trifecta which I had many many times. I can't wait for this fillys next race.

I don't know who you think you are fooling friend...but anyone who makes a comment like the one highlighted above, is not that difficult to figure out.

IMO...you are just a disgruntled Rachel fan who can't resist the temptation to strike a belated blow against the legacy of a great horse.

Rachel's connections were given ample opportunity to face the overhyped Zenyatta...but they abstained; I guess THEY believed the "Zenyatta hype" too...

Your argument is that Blind Luck is better than Zenyatta...

Has she proven it by distinguishing herself against male competition...or even beating her own kind in the Breeders Cup?

Is it fair to completely ignore the fact that Blind Luck has NEVER run against males...while, at the same time, criticizing Zenyatta for being in the "Witness Protection Program"?

[Hardcore]

Have your fun Z Heads but the reality is I had that trifecta for $1,000. If this is a redboard so be it. I don't see how it can be when I just joined here today? Should I rewrite history just to please the peanut gallery? NOT...I do assure you my picks will all be posted BEFOREHAND from this day on....Now back to the question and the comment made about the connections on both sides. BL's people are guilty of buying into the Oprah hype machine last year. I'll give you that but the Moss's take the cake for cowardly owners starting with ducking Curlin in 08 when Z was at her best.
Her Classic Flubber win was a joke against 3rd rate Euros and 0 -43 dirt to Flubber horses. Thats right, they were 0-43 at that medicore BC. Z's Classic was THE weakest in its history. The cowardly Moss's went on to duck ALL the colt races on the west coast despite them being on her beloved Flubber. They feared she would melt if she went to Saratoga or Belmont, a track tailor made for her. YES I blame(no pun intended) the connections of Z. She coulda woulda shoulda blah blah. There aren't enough bobbleheads in the world to change the cowardly schedule they set for her while chasing the great Peppers Pride lol. Go figure.
Blind Luck has shown now she belongs. Her people will have to consider it. They have the best filly to come along since the legendary Rachel Alexandra. While the rivalry with HDG is great, BL is greater as Affirmed was next to Alydar. Like Affirmed, BL is a vicious fighter. What more do you need to know? Just ask

[thaskalos]

Originally Posted by Hardcore

Have your fun Z Heads but the reality is I had that trifecta for $1,000. If this is a redboard so be it. I don't see how it can be when I just joined here today? Should I rewrite history just to please the peanut gallery? NOT...I do assure you my picks will all be posted BEFOREHAND from this day on....Now back to the question and the comment made about the connections on both sides. BL's people are guilty of buying into the Oprah hype machine last year. I'll give you that but the Moss's take the cake for cowardly owners starting with ducking Curlin in 08 when Z was at her best.
Her Classic Flubber win was a joke against 3rd rate Euros and 0 -43 dirt to Flubber horses. Thats right, they were 0-43 at that medicore BC. Z's Classic was THE weakest in its history. The cowardly Moss's went on to duck ALL the colt races on the west coast despite them being on her beloved Flubber. They feared she would melt if she went to Saratoga or Belmont, a track tailor made for her. YES I blame(no pun intended) the connections of Z. She coulda woulda shoulda blah blah. There aren't enough bobbleheads in the world to change the cowardly schedule they set for her while chasing the great Peppers Pride lol. Go figure.
Blind Luck has shown now she belongs. Her people will have to consider it. They have the best filly to come along since the legendary Rachel Alexandra. While the rivalry with HDG is great, BL is greater as Affirmed was next to Alydar. Like Affirmed, BL is a vicious fighter. What more do you need to know? Just ask

Welcome aboard Hardcore...

I can see that you will be a valuable addition to this forum...

[Hardcore]

Thank you Don Corleone (bows and kisses ring)

[Lasix67]

No she isn't, but her rivalry with Havre de Grace is real and has turned out to be what everyone was wishing for with Zenyatta and RA that of course never materialized.

[ronsmac]

Not even close.