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05-24-2012, 07:52 PM
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Still waiting for the history of decades of scandal by NYRA......waiting. I'll take Scandals for $20.
[YT="What is Bullshit?"]0Wi8Fv0AJA4[/YT]
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05-24-2012, 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Canarsie
thaskalos and I are on opposite sides of the fence on this issue but he is certainly allowed to have a strong opinion.This thread is 51 pages there are certainly going to be heated discussions.
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Of course he is allowed a strong opinion. I understand he's frustrated and can sympathize with it. Trust me, I was impacted by the takeout snafu and am plenty mad about it.
But I'm trying to find out what he is so frsutrated about and how he would like it rectified. If he just wants to bitch...fine.
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05-24-2012, 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom
Still waiting for the history of decades of scandal by NYRA......waiting. I'll take Scandals for $20.
[YT="What is Bullshit?"]0Wi8Fv0AJA4[/YT]
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I'll take Charlie Hayward was incompetent for $200
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05-24-2012, 08:29 PM
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http://www.paulickreport.com/news/ray-s-paddock/cuomo-s-coup-nyra-s-future-now-in-state-hands/
Cuomo's Coup: NYRA's Future Now in State Hands
by Ray Paulick /05.23.2012
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It seems hard to blame NYRA’s own board of directors for the failure, although one board member at the time of the change in law is a self-professed racing law expert named Bennett Liebman. According to his biography, Liebman, who left the NYRA board in June 2011 to become Cuomo’s Deputy Secretary for Gaming and Racing, “established the country’s first full-time racing and gaming law program that focuses on the study of law and policy as it relates to various aspects of gaming, including horse racing.” One would think Liebman should have been aware of changes in racing law and how it would affect NYRA.
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Since joining the Cuomo administration, however, Liebman has developed amnesia on the takeout issue as it relates to racing law but has become the governor’s chief attack dog against NYRA. …
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The worst part about this outcome is that NYRA was entrusted to run racing in the biggest market in the nation and, by their actions, they allowed the politicians to run them out of town because of their ineptitude. If New York racing goes down the tubes, all racing in North America could follow. This could turn out to be the worst event in the modern history of our industry. NYRA was given so many chances and they failed miserably. By the time the Governor is finished with NYRA, the casino interests will be firmly in charge, their money will not go to horse racing and our game will be reduced to a side show. NYRA has only its self to blame. What a complete travesty. It is sickening.
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05-24-2012, 08:39 PM
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The Voice of Reason!
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NYRA has only its self to blame. What a complete travesty. It is sickening.
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How?
So far, all I have heard is the same BS repeated over and over......there is no endless procession of scandal or incompetence. None. Just a lie told over and over a parade of lemmings following it and parroting it.
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05-24-2012, 08:49 PM
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You know you're right when Barry Irwin agrees with you. He is the voice of reason.
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05-24-2012, 09:17 PM
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You know you're right when Barry Irwin agrees with you. He is the voice of reason.
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Do I detect jealousy that your own "celebrity" status doesn't carry the same weight?
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05-25-2012, 12:06 AM
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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/25/sports/counsel-for-nyra-wants-to-release-its-2011-corruption-report.html
Counsel for NYRA Wants to Release 2011 Corruption Report
By JOE DRAPE May 24, 2012
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… with the racing association again under fire and being investigated for a fresh set of misdeeds and inaction, the counsel says it wants to give state investigators the 2011 corruption report it had prepared, but that was dismissed by the association. NYRA has refused to allow the counsel to turn it over, invoking client-attorney privilege.
If turned over, the 36-page report with 65 exhibits could prove acutely embarrassing for the racing association and perhaps even complicate Gov.
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Andrew M. Cuomo’s plan to overhaul the agency. The integrity counsel, the Manhattan law firm Getnick & Getnick, says in court papers that, despite the racing association’s lack of cooperation, it delivered a copy of its report to every member of the association’s board in June 2011, meaning they could have been in possession of damning material for a year or more without taking action.
… The papers filed Thursday in federal bankruptcy court over the firing indicate that the integrity counsel had been trying more than a year ago to alert the racing association’s leadership that there were other problems plaguing the operations of racing in the state.
The law firm was first installed to oversee the integrity of the association’s operation in 2003 after federal prosecutors charged NYRA with misconduct. In 2007, the association retained the firm for an additional five years, assuring Getnick & Getnick it would be conferred “maximum independence” in discharging its responsibilities.
… The firm also revealed and then ended NYRA’s relationships with certain betting outlets located offshore or on Indian reservations with “reputed ties to money laundering, horse drugging, and robotic wagering” that employed computer programs to give them a significant advantage over regular bettors.
But within the last two years, the association shut down the detention barn and restarted a relationship with at least one offshore operation, according to the counsel’s court filing.
… Getnick & Getnick wants to cooperate with the current state investigations into the racing association and make available the report of its final investigations that essentially got the firm fired.
In its court papers, the firm asserts that its firing was illegal and violated the terms of its contract with the association, one that federal authorities had approved. NYRA’s ability to fire its integrity counsel without cause, the firm argues, makes a mockery of the idea of any meaningful, independent oversight. …
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I'm amazed that some posters here keeping their heads in the sand aren't converts to Ostrich racing.
Wonder how much of the "30%" is robotic wagering and how profitable it is.
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05-25-2012, 02:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Robert Goren
NY racing is the first phase of slot fueled purses. The handle always goes up in the first few years.
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05-25-2012, 02:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Robert Goren
I am sure of one thing. That the NRYA supporters would like us to shut up and go away. That ain't happening. Whether NYRA can be good for the game in the future is open to debate. But the damage they did to the game with the takeout snafu is not. They give credence to people who say that the game is run by crooks for crooks. Sadly, those people are partially right. NY racing was run for awhile by a crook. He maybe gone, but the damage he did is not. And it is not going way because some people don't want to talk about it or the ramifications of his actions.
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You should have stopped while you were behind... 
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05-25-2012, 02:40 AM
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Not everybody agrees on that. Some steps have been taken, but how significant they are is open to debate. Are the crooks in jail yet. That would be a significant step. That general what happens when somebody steal the kind of money they stole. We are not talking about some teenager who was caught shoplifting here.
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Holy shit man...it just never ends with you, does it?
Jail? You have to be ****ing kidding me...
By your standards, the entire NYS Legislature should be in jail for enabling the takeout to GO UP to 26% IN THE FIRST PLACE...STEALING MONEY FROM US TO HELP OTB...
Even you don't believe half the stuff you write...you can't possibly...
Last edited by PaceAdvantage; 05-25-2012 at 02:49 AM.
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05-25-2012, 02:47 AM
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Something tells me whoever drafted that report doesn't even understand what "robotic wagering" is...and from the looks of things, neither do you...
There is a strong history of non-racing entities not understanding what is actually happening in racing...witness the "jockey weight scandal that wasn't" from a few years ago.
I wrote a program that bets for me...I guess I'm a big bad boogeyman robotic wagering demon myself, stealing money straight from your wallet... 
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05-25-2012, 03:04 AM
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Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
Something tells me whoever drafted that report doesn't even understand what "robotic wagering" is...and from the looks of things, neither do you...
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Please tell us specifically what gives you that impression. Only if you're getting whale-like rebates in the process.
BTW, in my post you quoted, I meant how profitable the handle from off-shore robtic wagering is to NYRA. I also wonder how it compares with that from both OTB and ADWs other than NYRA Rewards.
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05-25-2012, 03:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Indulto
Please tell us specifically what gives you that impression.Only if you're getting whale-like rebates in the process.
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Ummmmm...there was no mention of rebates, only "robotic wagering."
I'm still trying to figure out how "robotic wagering" is something to be frowned upon...as long as the wagers end up in the pool before the horses leave the gate, there should be no problem.
Oh, I know...all those last minute wagers tend to take a while to get reflected on the tote board. So, instead of addressing the real problem (the antiquated tote system), we'll demonize robotic wagering...
Way to champion progress...
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