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08-31-2013, 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
Required by whom exactly?
The only one requiring him to report would be his own conscience and code of morality.
If he lacked either of those, there would be no requirement to report.
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"there would be no requirement to report."
Is that in the rules of racing in NY? Or is that simply your assessment?
That's not a challenge. It's a question.
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08-31-2013, 09:58 PM
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PA Steward
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Originally Posted by thespaah
Is the outrider not acting in an official capacity of some kind?
Are these people not duty bound to report anything that 'just doesn't look right'?
And even if there is 'no duty to report', an individual with the smallest amount of integrity would report such an incident.
At least in my world.
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Absolutely no disrespect intended, but if that is your world, it isn't the real world.
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08-31-2013, 10:01 PM
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PA Steward
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Originally Posted by thespaah
"there would be no requirement to report."
Is that in the rules of racing in NY? Or is that simply your assessment?
That's not a challenge. It's a question.
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What is it you don't understand?
Outriders are not racing officials. Are they required to report any wrongdoing? I'm not sure.
Even if they were...that doesn't mean all outriders will report wrongdoing. Perhaps there is a "thin green line" where outriders generally don't report on fellow riders. Kind of like the "thin blue line" among cops. I don't know...
The point is, just because someone is required to do something, often times, they won't...quite a few people take pride in not being "rats" to borrow from the vernacular of the mob.
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08-31-2013, 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Stillriledup
Could there also be a "Tell" in this video? Watch the winning jocks' head. Dont watch the handoff, watch the head. Looks, looks back and then looks again....you know, to make sure.....that....he really high fived the right guy? Not sure what the last little, subtle, glance meant. If you're just high fiving, why would you give a quick glance after you had already turned your head away to watch where you are going?  |
You should stick to or start to play poker instead of betting horses if you think that you are such a genius at reading tells.
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08-31-2013, 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
Absolutely no disrespect intended, but if that is your world, it isn't the real world.
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Not even in the area of integrity?
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08-31-2013, 10:14 PM
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Just another Facist
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I don't think he gets 10% of a million?
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08-31-2013, 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
What is it you don't understand?
Outriders are not racing officials. Are they required to report any wrongdoing? I'm not sure.
Even if they were...that doesn't mean all outriders will report wrongdoing. Perhaps there is a "thin green line" where outriders generally don't report on fellow riders. Kind of like the "thin blue line" among cops. I don't know...
The point is, just because someone is required to do something, often times, they won't...quite a few people take pride in not being "rats" to borrow from the vernacular of the mob.
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Ok..
Now, let's hypothesize for a moment.
With all of the accusations and suspicions posters on here discuss as to their theories regarding the game and how those accusations and suspicions( betting after the start, PED's in the barns) and how those suspicions may adversely affect the introduction of new people to the game, in your opinion would it not be prudent for a racing jurisdiction to where practical any measures which would be used to protect the integrity of the sport? Things such as giving outriders authority to report suspicious activity?
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08-31-2013, 10:20 PM
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Out-of-town Jasper
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Originally Posted by JustRalph
I don't think he gets 10% of a million?
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No, he get's 10% of 60% - or 6%. And that's before he pays his agent.
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08-31-2013, 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by therussmeister
No, he get's 10% of 60% - or 6%. And that's before he pays his agent.
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Russmeister, you're correct, as its related to the purse. An old link. I'm sorry for my error.
http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/a...p/t-72020.html
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08-31-2013, 10:30 PM
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Originally Posted by 5k-claim
In your first post you straight up said "it looked to me there was something in his right hand", and now you are saying it is "highly likely" there was nothing. In other words, you are saying that it is likely that you did not see what you saw.
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first off you didn't answer my question. and I obviously wasn't the only one that thought what they saw was rather peculiar. have you ever galloped or breezed a thoroughbred?
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08-31-2013, 10:42 PM
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tmrpots
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You know who you are...
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08-31-2013, 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by thespaah
Is the outrider not acting in an official capacity of some kind?
Are these people not duty bound to report anything that 'just doesn't look right'?
And even if there is 'no duty to report', an individual with the smallest amount of integrity would report such an incident.
At least in my world.
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Donna isn't an outrider. She's a reporter on horseback.
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08-31-2013, 10:47 PM
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I love this quote from DRF:
"Sources also confirmed that the stewards did interview Saez on Saturday and that his locker was searched."
Searching his locker is like when the tracks all of a sudden required extra security guards posted outside the mutuel offices at tracks nationwide after the 2002 BC Fix Six.
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08-31-2013, 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by SandyW
You should stick to or start to play poker instead of betting horses if you think that you are such a genius at reading tells.
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Im better at reading "tells" of horses on video replays. Thanks for the compliment that i'm a genius, feels good to be up there with the Mensa! 
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08-31-2013, 11:02 PM
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Just another Facist
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Originally Posted by Grits
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I knew what you meant, but I thought maybe I missed a bonus or something.
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