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05-22-2012, 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by OTM Al
All I can say Tom is Sheldon Silver is part of an annoucement calling for transparency and reform. Now that is what is truly priceless.
For those of you who do not live in New York, Sheldon Silver is the long time leader of the Assembly. For some idiot reason NY has a bi-cameral legislature. Not sure any other state has that. It leads to an extra layer of corruption in holding up any and all legislation. Three men in a room (the governor, Assembly leader and senate leader) is the common phrase on how NY government works. Nothing goes to vote unless these guys agree on it and despite governors claiming they are for reform this hasn't changed. Mr. Silver holds the distinction of being the most corrupt politician in the State. He has publically proclaimed that it is not neccessary that he discloses his private business dealings with firm that he is in effect granting State contracts to. And this is a guy calling for reform and transparancy and will help stock the new board. This is great....
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05-22-2012, 02:26 PM
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#677
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Based on what I've seen in California, I can't see anything good resulting from "political appointees" being handed the keys to NYRA.
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05-22-2012, 02:27 PM
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intus habes, quem poscis
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Originally Posted by FenceBored
Really? |
I know it's at least very unusual if not unique.
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05-22-2012, 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Jeff P
Based on what I've seen in California, I can't see anything good resulting from "political appointees" being handed the keys to NYRA.
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the difference is that this guy wants to run for president in 4 years. if he can't improve racing in new york, what do you think he will do with the whole country.
from what i have heard, he has some big plans for racing, we can only wait and see if he is anything more than talk.
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05-22-2012, 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by OTM Al
I know it's at least very unusual if not unique.
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Every state but Nebraska, according to Wiki
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05-22-2012, 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by OTM Al
I know it's at least very unusual if not unique.
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The legislatures of 49 of the 50 states are made up of two chambers: a lower house (termed the House of Representatives, State Assembly or House of Delegates) and a smaller upper house, always termed the Senate. The exception is the unicameral Nebraska Legislature, which is composed of only a single chamber.
-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._state
As the great Welsh political scientist Sir Thomas John Woodward might put it: It's not unusual to pass laws bicamerally.
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05-22-2012, 02:55 PM
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I think you guys misunderstand what Al is talking about.
"Three men in a room (the governor, Assembly leader and senate leader) is the common phrase on how NY government works. Nothing goes to vote unless these guys agree on it and despite governors claiming they are for reform this hasn't changed."
Isn't that the pertinent part?
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05-22-2012, 02:59 PM
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intus habes, quem poscis
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Originally Posted by FenceBored
The legislatures of 49 of the 50 states are made up of two chambers: a lower house (termed the House of Representatives, State Assembly or House of Delegates) and a smaller upper house, always termed the Senate. The exception is the unicameral Nebraska Legislature, which is composed of only a single chamber.
-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._state
As the great Welsh political scientist Sir Thomas John Woodward might put it: It's not unusual to pass laws bicamerally. |
Interesting. Guess I had it backward then. Well, it's still a damn mess here.
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05-22-2012, 03:00 PM
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intus habes, quem poscis
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Originally Posted by cj
I think you guys misunderstand what Al is talking about.
"Three men in a room (the governor, Assembly leader and senate leader) is the common phrase on how NY government works. Nothing goes to vote unless these guys agree on it and despite governors claiming they are for reform this hasn't changed."
Isn't that the pertinent part?
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It is most pertinent, but I was completely wrong about the two house thing.
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05-22-2012, 03:17 PM
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For the record, not only does Nebraska have an unicameral, but we have term limits. 8 years and then they are gone for at least 4 years.
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05-22-2012, 03:33 PM
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This article may have been posted earlier on this board, but I found it very interesting. Ran across it when I was doing some research on NYRA.
Something fishy about NYRA controversy?
http://tenoonan.com/2012/05/18/somet...a-controversy/
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05-22-2012, 03:36 PM
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It is posted two other times in this thread.
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05-22-2012, 03:44 PM
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On the list of honestly run governments....
...Afghanistan
...Pakistan
...New York
NYS is 49th on the list of states friendly to businesses.
We drive them out or rape them for taxation. NYS is a joke.
No good will come from them getting into NYRA.
The horse poop will smell better than the board of trustees.
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05-22-2012, 09:22 PM
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One question and one observation:
Question - What ever happened to Joe Bruno? Is he in the slammer?
Observation - Tom REALLY needs to move to the Sunshine State so he has something to compare the Empire State to. I've lived in both; I'd rather be screwed by those "yankees" than by these "good ol' boys" down here. Only thing is I couldn't afford to live back there any more now that I'm "on the dole."
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05-23-2012, 07:12 AM
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http://www.timesunion.com/opinion/article/Editorial-NYRA-needs-a-new-lineup-3578138.php
Editorial: NYRA needs a new lineup
By Ed Rogers May 22, 2012
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the board, to its credit, did oust CEO Charles Hayward and General Counsel Patrick Kehoe after revelations that the racing organization cheated bettors out of $8.5 million. But it was a fix that might not have been needed under a more effective board. And this board then discredited itself by announcing that it would replace Mr. Hayward with one of his former subordinates. That's not housecleaning. It's rearranging deck chairs.
… While on another board that might be seen as excessive control by one politician, in this case it brings much clearer accountability to an institution that, for all its oversight, hasn't had enough. NYRA's next failure, if there is one, will be Mr. Cuomo's. That's a strong incentive to see that it doesn't happen. …
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http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/horse...g55PYJTWRDGoxI
State takeover may help NYRA
Ed Fountaine May 23, 2012
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… So what does the state takeover mean for Joe $2 Bettor?
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… If pro-growth men of vision are appointed, who have at least a basic knowledge of the racing industry and its potential to flourish, then flushing out some of the moribund old blood that dominated NYRA for years will be a good thing.
After all, it was NYRA, not the state, that originally turned down running OTB. But if NYRA becomes dominated by bureaucratic hacks appointed more for their political reliability than their business ability, then Joe $2 Bettor is in trouble.
If that happens, then raising revenue for the state, cow-towing to the OTBs and satisfying the special interests would become NYRA’s priority.
Forget about lowering the takeout on bets; that would surely rise. Forget about reversing NYRA’s emphasis on the quantity of racing over the quality, especially at Saratoga, as has been the case in recent years. Forget about much-needed improvements to customer service and the physical condition of the deteriorating racetracks. …
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