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02-13-2017, 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by chadk66
most are very old and should be replaced. and they don't have leak detection. new pipelines are vastly superior in materials and leak detection. There was a leak of significance in Billings MT a few years ago. It leaked into the yellowstone river. This is where our drinking water comes from. Billings is about 250 miles away. Even in a river system it didn't make it 150 miles as far as being able to detect it. And it was under the ice. Within a month there was no trace that it ever happened. spills into water appear to be the best place for it. easier to clean up and it is cleansed much faster. The gulf is a classic example. I don't know if you could find any indication right now that the spill occurred down there.
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It's also true a lot of the environmental damage is caused by the cleanup efforts when natural dissipation would work better. Still, I'm not quite ready to say that major spills caused by neglect and negligence are nothing to be concerned about. And they do really happen all the time -- the list is huge.
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02-13-2017, 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by GameTheory
It's also true a lot of the environmental damage is caused by the cleanup efforts when natural dissipation would work better. Still, I'm not quite ready to say that major spills caused by neglect and negligence are nothing to be concerned about. And they do really happen all the time -- the list is huge.
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then the country should cease to exist considering all the spills and all the irreversible damage. Occasionally we have a failure on a site that allows oil to flow out the flare stack. can't burn it off fast enough so it will blow out the flare stack. If it's windy it will blow a mist off the site. Which means often times onto farmers fields. the next year he has the best crop where the mist was lol. It's crazy. There is also oil eating bacteria that will clean up oil in water. Another way we can deal with it is to burn it off. A month or so we had a pipeline rupture and oil ran into a ravine and down into a pond. ground was frozen. so they burnt it all off. I'll bet you next july if you come look you'll never know it happened.
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02-13-2017, 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by chadk66
most are very old and should be replaced. and they don't have leak detection. new pipelines are vastly superior in materials and leak detection. There was a leak of significance in Billings MT a few years ago. It leaked into the yellowstone river. This is where our drinking water comes from. Billings is about 250 miles away. Even in a river system it didn't make it 150 miles as far as being able to detect it. And it was under the ice. Within a month there was no trace that it ever happened. spills into water appear to be the best place for it. easier to clean up and it is cleansed much faster. The gulf is a classic example. I don't know if you could find any indication right now that the spill occurred down there.
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The Yellowstone River leak was one of ExxonMobil's, and since the 80s, at the time of the Exxon Valdese spill, then, the largest in U.S. history, their safety record has been far better than that of other oil companies. Though, of course, spills continue.
http://www.usnews.com/news/business/...lowstone-spill
Another of their corporations spills that occurred in 2006, over 11 years ago, is still being argued and settled in court. It took place in northern Maryland. The leak detection systems, alarms, etc on Exxon equipment have been in place for decades, and have been upgraded as technology has improved. This is all noted in Stephen Coll's book, "Private Empire". Still, the accidents continue to happen. There was a chapter dedicated to this spill, as well as others including the Valdese.
Pipelines are not always the culprit, not at all. The Maryland spill was 26,000 gallons from underground tanks at a neighborhood convenient mart/service station contaminating the ground water supply. Alarms sounded, and regional Exxon corporate management was called to the site. Thought to be repaired, it wasn't. It occurred over a period exceeding more than 35 days, coming about as the result of a nearby construction project. As the saying goes, "call before you dig".
http://articles.baltimoresun.com/201...ak-flerlage-jr
The folks in the Gulf might disagree with you as to the impact of British Petroleum's (whose safety record has not ever been equal to that of ExxonMobil and Shell.) The Deep Water Horizon spill is still a serious problem for humans and for wildlife alike.
http://www.npr.org/2015/04/20/400374...covery-is-slow
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enviro...izon_oil_spill
In the reading I've done, I come away with the belief that pipelines are probably the safer way to get fossil fuels transported.
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02-13-2017, 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Grits
The Yellowstone River leak was one of ExxonMobil's, and since the 80s, at the time of the Exxon Valdese spill, then, the largest in U.S. history, their safety record has been far better than that of other oil companies. Though, of course, spills continue.
http://www.usnews.com/news/business/...lowstone-spill
Another of their corporations spills that occurred in 2006, over 11 years ago, is still being argued and settled in court. It took place in northern Maryland. The leak detection systems, alarms, etc on Exxon equipment have been in place for decades, and have been upgraded as technology has improved. This is all noted in Stephen Coll's book, "Private Empire". Still, the accidents continue to happen. There was a chapter dedicated to this spill, as well as others including the Valdese.
Pipelines are not always the culprit, not at all. The Maryland spill was 26,000 gallons from underground tanks at a neighborhood convenient mart/service station contaminating the ground water supply. Alarms sounded, and regional Exxon corporate management was called to the site. Thought to be repaired, it wasn't. It occurred over a period exceeding more than 35 days, coming about as the result of a nearby construction project. As the saying goes, "call before you dig".
http://articles.baltimoresun.com/201...ak-flerlage-jr
The folks in the Gulf might disagree with you as to the impact of British Petroleum's (whose safety record has not ever been equal to that of ExxonMobil and Shell.) The Deep Water Horizon spill is still a serious problem for humans and for wildlife alike.
http://www.npr.org/2015/04/20/400374...covery-is-slow
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enviro...izon_oil_spill
In the reading I've done, I come away with the belief that pipelines are probably the safer way to get fossil fuels transported.
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in regards to the gulf you have to take into consideration the source. I have co-workers that live right on the gulf coast south of New Orleans. Right where the spill happened. They hunt and fish that area all the time. Shrimp fishing is excellent right now they claim. There are just no real signs that anything happened there. There are thousands of miles of oil pipeline buried under the gulf floor also.
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02-15-2017, 07:15 PM
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that happened very early on. but it was a peaceful riot
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02-22-2017, 02:59 PM
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The protestors are helping the clean-up effort by burning down their structures. Just think about all the truckloads of junk that will not need to be hauled. I do have to wonder about all of the carbon dioxide and chemicals that are going up with the smoke.
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02-22-2017, 10:51 PM
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02-23-2017, 07:26 AM
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they didn't even remove all of them yesterday. gave a dozen or so till this morning. got too sloppy to finish clearing them/things out yesterday. going to resume this morning when it's frozen. the state/feds have handled this so poorly it's embarrassing.
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08-07-2017, 10:32 PM
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03-31-2018, 05:33 PM
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03-31-2018, 06:36 PM
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there was a big "oh shit" let out from that group today.
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03-31-2018, 06:36 PM
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The pipeline company owns too much farmland as well. North Dakota corporate farm land law is after them. Was snowing yesterday when I took Amtrak through there... dang climate disruption continues...
Last edited by davew; 03-31-2018 at 06:37 PM.
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03-31-2018, 06:37 PM
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This doesn't surprise anybody
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09-22-2022, 04:12 PM
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#120
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Time for prison.
They got hammered
https://hotair.com/john-s-2/2022/09/...prison-n498395
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